Nutritional Certification Course
For Dian, the reward of teaching this course
is the satisfaction of knowing that she has helped develop
scores of qualified people trained to keep
traditional holistic practices alive
despite the obvious political and economic forces
that are attempting to censor all such information.
The new permanent classroom at Dian's Wellness Simplified seats 60 students
first class - Fall 2017
1500 Mt. Kemble Avenue, Morristown, NJ
Dian with first class in new space - Fall 2017
Dian Teaching Fall/Winter 2015/2016
Program classes held at Dolce Hotel and Resort, Basking Ridge, NJ
Dian with some of the students
in the Fall/Winter class 2014
Program classes held at the Old Mill Inn, Basking Ridge, NJ
Dian's course will be held every other Sunday
(Weather and Holidays permitting)
Dian's Wellness Simplified
1500 Mount Kemble Avenue
Dian teaching the Spring 2018 Course
at Dian's Wellness Simplified, 1500 Mt. Kenble Ave., Morristown NJ
Graduates of Spring 2017 Course
Fall/Winter 2018 Sunday class dates:
(Subject to change due to weather, conferences or emergencies)
12am to 5pm
Class One Oct 7th
Class Two Oct 21st
Class Three Oct 28th
Class Four Nov 18th
Class Five Dec 2nd
Class Six Dec 16th
Class Seven Jan 6th
Class Eight Jan 20th
Class Nine Feb 10th
Class Ten Feb 24th
Class Eleven (Final Exam/Class) Mar 3rd
Class Twelve (Class/Graduation) Mar 24th
Spring Summerr 2019 Sunday class dates:
(Subject to change due to weather, conferences or emergencies)
12am to 5pm
Class One April 14th
Class Two April 28th
Class Three May 5th
Class Four May 19th
Class Five June 9th
Class Six June 23rd
Class Seven July 14th
Class Eight July 28th
Class Nine Aug 11th
Class Ten Aug 25th
Class Eleven (Final Exam/Class) Sept 8
Class Twelve (Class/Graduation) Sept 22nd
Dian's course meets every other week, two times a month
on Sundays from noon to 5pm for six months.
(exceptions are when Dian is traveling or for holidays, bad weather, events and emergencies)
1500 Mount Kemble Avenue, Morristown, NJ
(on the border of Basking Ridge next to the Olde Mill Inn)
Dian and Yvette Maria
Taking a class break in new office space
The next Spring six month course will begin April 14th 2019. The Spring course fills up fast. We are accepting deposits now that will hold your space.
If a class must be missed, it can be taken the next time it is taught the following semester. The two semesters are six months long.
When one semester is over, a week is skipped and then another begins. If a class is missed it can be taken the next time around.
Once someone has taken Dian's course, they may take it again as many times as they like for free.
Many students take it two or more times in a row.
There is a lot to learn. Former students often come back for a class or two, or to take the whole course again years after they first took it.
Dian has been teaching this course for about fifteen years with about 850 graduated students.
People attempting to teach a course like this are most likeley former students of Dian's course
Teaching it without permission and without the depth of knowledge and experience
that Dian spent decades in the design and excecution of her course
All students receive free a nutritional consultation with Dian (a $350 value)
plus free follow-ups as long as needed.
Student's family advice always given freely and student's family consults offered at half price
Dian and students milling about in new main office space
There is always plenty of food sitting out at class break time
All people practicing holistic health are considered naturopaths be they nutritionists,
holistic health counselors, herbalists, hands on healers, energy healers,
health coaches, NDs or the any of the myriad holistic titles available today.
None of these practitioners are recognized nationally or by the State of NJ or PA as licensed practitioners.
One can apply for licensing as a nutritionist in NY if trained at Bastyr or Bridgeport Universities.
Certifications or diplomas simply state a person has completed training.
The on-line courses that claim national certifications and doctorates for those who pass their open-book tests
do not have Department of Education accreditation, nor credibility as schools.
The diplomas and certifications they award (including Dian's course)
are not recognized nationally or at the State level.
The most valuable and credible diplomas or certifications are of those being taught by a practicing practitioner
with decades of experience working with clients.
Experience, when shared, is more valuable than classes given on-line or by those with little clinical experience.
The only credible doctorates of naturopathy, ND, are those who are graduates of a 4-year accredited university
that requires in-class training with additional months of internship
at either the University of Bridgeport in CT or Bastyr University in CA.
ND doctorates can be purchased on line and are not crediable or safe in Dian's opinion
as she is ofen accepting former clients of such people.
There are a very few universities offering accredited diplomas in holistic nutrition.
However, even graduates with accredited university diplomas or doctorates are not recognized
as State licensed or certified practitioners,
though in some states they can apply for licensing (not in NJ or PA).
Nutrition today, as taught in most colleges and universities, other than Bridgeport or Bastyr,
is not the holistic nutrition that in the past was known as Clinical Nutrition.
Dietetics has replace nutrition, yet is misnamed as nutrition, in most colleges and universities
Dian teaches from her clinical nutrition and herbal training
with the addition of decades of experience learning and integrating many other holistic practices
Dian's course covers not only how the body works but also the food, supplements
and modalities she has successfully used to bring the body into healthy balance.
By contrast, most university nutrition courses are taught from `nutrition' books written by dieticians
who are not holistic, but claim to be 'Medical Nutritionists'.
The training dietitians receive (medical nutritionists), for the most part,
is the opposite of what Dian teaches in her CHHC course.
Unfortunately, for about the last 10-12 years, medical doctors only hire dietitians
as their in-office `nutritionists'
because of their shared medical orientation.
Rarely will a medical doctor hire a holistic nutritionist unless the doctor practices integrative.
Each of the students of Dian's course receives free nutritional consults (and advice for their family),
discounts on products, events and other classes taught at Dian's Wellness Simplified.
Those who have placed their deposit for Dian's course are treated as a student even before
their course begins and will receive the same discounts as a student.
Each student's family members can receive full consults with Dian at half price.
Student's clients can also receive half-price consults with Dian if
the student sits in on that consult to learn and subsequently follows up with the client under Dian's mentorship.
CHHC Graduates of Dian's course are eligible for internship at Dian's Wellness Simplified.
There are free monthly meetings for these graduates to learn business skills and to practice consultations.
Former students receive personal and business nutritional guidance and mentorship for as long as they require.
Dian's naturopathic training began with clinical nutrition in the late sixties/seventies and she added
courses and certifications in many other modalities through the eighties.
Dian is still teaching in order to make sure this information is not lost to history
due to the new revisionist “nutrition” (dietetics) that is so prevalent today.
About a third of the students who take Dian's course do so in order to learn how to maintain
good health for themselves and their families.
This group is mainly parents who wish to raise children healthy
and seniors who what to stave off premature aging.
Another third take her course to add Dian's training to their existing practice.
Among these who have taken Dian's course are medical doctors (integrative), nurses,
chiropractors, dentists, psychotherapists, massage therapists, physical therapists, energy therapists, etc.
The last third are those who wish to start a new career
and learn how to practice as a holistic counselor.
Dian will help mentor these graduates on how to start and run
a nutritional business for as long as they require.
CHHC Graduates are also eligible for internships under Dian's tutorship
to get experience for opening a practice of their own.
Offices are also available at Dian's center for her qualified graduates to use
to see their own clients as a Dian's Wellness Simplified nutritionist.
Experts estimate that a staggering 98,000 people die from
preventable medical errors each year.
More Americans die each month of preventable medical
injuries than died in the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
Source: Within health care hides massive, avoidable death toll
CATHLEEN F. CROWLEY & ERIC NALDER
HEARST NEWSPAPERS, Aug. 10, 2009
"In response to medical inadequacies and pharmaceutical damage,
drugless practices have a growing following in the U.S. with the advent of
Naturopathy, Holistic Health, Herbalism and other natural therapies."
Nutritionist or a Naturopath The Summer 2019 Course Will Graduate September 2019
Congratulations Graduates !!!!
Yippee ! Graduation - Congrats Danielle !
If you interested in being notified about future courses and classes
taught by Dian...
please call Kerry at 973 267-4816
to ask to be put on our Email notification list.
If you would like to reserve space in Dian's Nutrition course
call and make a $100 deposit to hold your space and
to set up your free student consultation with Dian
Dian Teaching Winter 2014
(showing off my NJ boots)
There are no papers to write.
It is adults who are taking this course
and they are taking it because they want to learn.
I trust their decision as to how much they wish to put
into its study and how much they want to get out of it....Dian
The course is given on Sundays and is scheduled to begin:
October 7th, 2018
"There is not a epidemic or pandemic to fear
because of what one will learn here"
Graduates who take the tests and final exam will be Certified in Holistic Health
They graduate as a Certified Holistic Health Counselor, CHHC
Graduates who do not wish to take the tests and final exam can audit the program
They graduate as a Holistic Health Counselor, HHC
Only the graduated students who have earned a CHHC, Certified Holistic Health Counselor,
Are eligible to continue at Wellness Simplified to take advanced and teaching programs,
Internships, and attend free monthly business-growth meetings
About fifteen years ago nutritionists and health practitioners who had obtained the CNC, IIN, NDs
and other on-line course certifications elsewhere continually asked Dian to teach them how
her practice grew to be so successful.
They felt the education they had received or the exams they had taken had not really prepared them
to be hands-on nutritional, naturopathic or holistic counselors.
After a few years, Dian realized that everyone would benefit from her course so she opened it to the public.
On-line or, open-book tests do not qualify nutritionists
or Naturopathic Doctors, NDs.
But, in-class training taught by
working practitioners with decades of clinical experience do.
"I have learned more from my decades of experience with thousands of clients
than I ever learned in the many courses or classes I took or books I have read.
Experience counts !"
Come join those who have learned from Dian's experience
Nutritionist or a Naturopath
Make sure that those who teach you how to be a practitioner have decades of clinical experience.
Reading and teaching books cannot replace learning from decades of experience.
Dian Freeman has decades of experience caring for thousands of clients
She has taught this nutrition course for over Fifteen years
and has graduated over 850 students,
many of whom are now working in the holistic health field.
This course is training for those who want to work
in the natural health field,
or for those who just wish to learn from Dian's decades of experience.
Internships are offered students who wish to gain clinical and business experience
Interns must have earned an CHHC and have mastered the basics of the program
Internships are required for those who wish to take higher level programs
Dian's Wellness Simplified will be a business mentor of those
who go into practice for as long as they need
and will help her clients and students with their health for as long as they need
For those who just want to be supplement salesmen, or purveyors of predetermined
one-size-fits-all diet programs, any certification or designation is adequate.
But, for those who are interested learning how to deal with and treat each individual
client as a unique person with unique needs using a bevy of modalities
combined with a personalized optimal diet and supplement program
For those, this is the course to take and the CHHC is the designation to earn.
The CHHC certification (in holistic health), covers the combined use
of modern supplements, herbs, homeopathic, vibrational energy, food, color,
home remedies, crystals, energy body work, essential oils
and a mix of many of the traditional methods that have
served humanity well for tens of thousands of years.
Dian at teaching desk March 2012
Dian teaching August 2014 and October 2014
This is a 6-month 12-Week Certification Course
(The course meets 1-2 times a month)
To be truly trained in a field, it is important to be taught in-person by trained teachers
who have had decades of experience in the field.
Books do not teach, they inform, inexperience practitioners can only parrot books,
they are not personalized for each student's needs
and do not teach how to personalize protocols for each individual client.
Realizing this, I eventually agreed to teach this course.
And, it has been very rewarding to do so.
I hope you can join us.
Dian teaching, December, 2007
Each student will also receive free private nutritional consultations and follow-ups with Dian
Learn to be a Naturopath
from full-time practicing nutritionist,
with decades of clinical experience
and over 15 years teaching this program
with over 800 graduated students
12 weeks - 6 months
$100 deposit to hold space
Study for a career in holistic health
learn how to maintain good health and
for yourself, your family and your friends
The goal of this program is to prepare each student
to begin their own holistic practice or to learn how to regain their health and prevent disease.
After the course, Dian"s Wellness Simplified will mentor interested students in the evaluation of their clients and in the business of nutrition until the student feels confident to practice alone.
Students and former students get special discounts on all events products and services at Dian's Center.
Advance and teaching programs are being designed for graduates to continue their education
Business meeting will be given monthly which will include mock consultations for practice.
In program classes there are weekly tests covering the material learned the week before including the contents of assigned textbooks
All students can repeat missed classes or those they wish to take again, space permitting, at no charge. Five to ten seats will always be left open in each class for former students to sit in.
Attendees have included Medical Doctors, MD's; University graduated Naturopathic Doctors, ND's; Chiropractors; Psychotherapists; Physical Therapists; Massage Therapists; Energetic Healers; Dentists; Nurses; Personal Trainers; Colon hydrotherapists; drug reps; dieticians; aestheticians; those who wish a new career; moms, dads, retirees and people who want to learn how their body works to stave off illness and premature aging for themselves and their families
Program auditing certificates as a Holistic Health Counselor, HHC, available for those who do not wish to take the exam to practice as a Certified Holistic Health Counselor, CHHC
Go To :
for as many times as they like
Nutrient depletion has lead to a nation of people trying to function
with chronic low-grade illnesses often made worse by the
pharmaceutical drugs taken in the effort to seek relief from these conditions.
Dian Teaching Winter 2010
Naturopathic Nutritional Course Description
For those who have expressed an interest in taking Dian's nutritional program for a Certified Holistic Health Counselor, CHHC, we have put together a letter of the course's content and intent. Let us know if there is anything you need clarified.
The next six-month program is scheduled to begin Sunday, October 7th 2018 . Accepting deposits now for Fall/Winter 2018 . Get your reservation in early as we fill up.
Economists have determined that the natural health field is the fastest growing industry in the U. S. today. They project that this trend will continue for the next 10 years. Dian personally can attest to this truth because her practice continues to grow year after year.
Unfortunately, there are more people needing health advice than there are practitioners qualified to fulfill that role. That is one reason why Dian has chosen teach a course sharing her experience and success in the field of nutrition. She has trained approximately 850 students in the last fifteen years many of which are currently in practice. Those who have elected to become consultants using the HHC or CHHC solely as their certification are doing well and can count on mentorship at Dian's Wellness Simplified for as long as they want.
Each graduate of Dian's course will receive the a Holistic Health Counselor, HHC for auditing, or a Certified Holistic Health Counselor certification, CHHC, for those who elect to take in-class tests and the final exam to ontinue foward as interns and advanced students. These certifications attest to the completion of 180 hours of training given by a naturopath with many years experience practicing Holistic Health. In-class training by a full time consultant carries more weight in the nutrition field than either on-line training, on-line exams or in-class training taught by schools, such as massage or other body-worker schools, whose instructors concentrate on other practices and are not full time nutritional practitioners. Those who take Dian's course receive the benefit of her decades of experience exclusively in the field of nutrition and holistic health
Many who have taken on-line open book exams and have already received the CCN, CNC, the IIN, ND or other certifications prior to taking Dian's course have told us that they do not feel ready or qualified to start a nutritional practice. These practitioners have chosen to take Dian's course to learn more about how to practice nutrition, recommend supplements, start a nutritional business and how to become effective drugless practitioners. In fact, it is at the request of such practitioners that Dian started teaching this course. They asked Dian to teach them how she built such a successful practice.
The only way a holistic practice grows is from referrals of those who have successfully met their health goals through practitioner guidance.
Dian is such a practitioner. She began by teaching other practitioners but, eventually opened her course to the public.
Professional people from many disciplines take this course to add nutrition to their practices. The graduates of Dian's course include medical doctors, chiropractic doctors, dentists, nurses, dieticians, Naturopathic Doctors, those with a Masters or PhD. in nutrition, psychotherapists, massage therapists, personal trainers, yoga instructions, moms, dads, retired people, people wanting to have a side business or a new career and those who just want to learn how the body works and how to keep it strong and youthfully healthy for as long as possible.
There are limited seats available for new students. Seats are also reserved for former students who may wish to repeat the course at no cost or to make-up a previously missed class. After the deposit has been paid, arrangements can be made to pay for the remainder of the course in six payments at the beginning of each of the first month of class for those who do not wish to pay in a lump sum. Students who sign up with a friend, spouse or other family member are offered the second or third signee at half price. Family members of students are offered nutritional counseling at Dian's Wellness Simplified at half the consultation price. Credit cards are accepted.
This is not a pay as you go class but a full 6-month program. There are people who get shut out of these classes due to lack of space, so the commitment is for six months even if one chooses to pay monthly. Many, if not most, graduates of Dian's course either take it again one or more times (at no additional cost) or come back to repeat some of the classes. Students have appeared years later to re-take classes again and again throughout the years. We are always happy to see them. Dian loves to mentor her graduates.
Dian's graduated students are mentored by her for as long as they feel the need in their health and in their business. Monthly business meetings are offered free to graduates of the CHHC.
There are 10 books chosen by Dian that will be covered in this program. These books can be bought at Dian's or online. Many books and on-line information today is misleading, misinformation or incomplete information and Dian helps sort it all out. Dian has found that in her experience, those who have the time to write books are rarely are ones who have observed results by running a thriving practice. That is why so many nutrition books are contradictory. Experience is the true tool of learning. In this field. one should not presumed to teach without decades of in-practice experience.
This nutritional program will tie all the differing nutritional loose ends together thereby helping make heads or tails of the contradictions found on-line , in books on natural health and the varying 'professional' slants on nutrition. It will also cover Applied Kinesiology(muscle testing)supplement and food protocols, how to conduct a consultation and run a business, conditions that cause health problems and many of Dian's popular lectures on body systems and health conditions that can be used by students to build their own practice.
Snacks will be sitting out all day and students are welcome to bring their own snacks or some extra for the class. Rescheduling a class is possible if all the people attending the class are ok with the date changes requested.
Many former students are now Dian trained holistic health practitioners in NY, NJ and PA.
Many students come in from out of state...from NY, PA, CT and even MA. A person is driving from Virginia for the fall 2018 course.
The intent of all Dian's Wellness Simplified's programs and classes is to empower people to achieve self-knowledge and self-sufficiency on many levels. Health freedom and the political challenges to sharing nutritional knowledge will be explored and discussed. The role that vibrational energy plays in balancing the health of the body will be stressed in each class. The involvement of emotional factors in disease will be explored.
The body can only right itself if all aspects of itself are balanced, i. e., the physical, energetic and emotional aspects.
Dian's students are taught how to consult, advise, lecture and teach others to balance their body systems, and prevent disease through lifestyle changes, effective supplementation and better food choices. There will also be weekend and evening meetings for former students with updates, speakers, intro to new products, business building and info sharing.
For Dian, the reward of teaching this course is the satisfaction of knowing that she has helped develop scores of qualified people to share natural health knowledge in order to keep it alive despite the obvious political and economic forces that are attempting to censor all such information.
We are fortunate that New Jersey does not recognize or certify nutritionists. Each State has it's own standards for regulation of nutritional practitioners. Regulations, State endowed certifications or licensing can lead to censorship and oversight by a governing group that inevitably demands standardization of practice which, in turn, disallows vision and creativity.
Dian encourages each student to learn how to "connect the dots", be creative, initiate their own vision and develop their own style of practice given the tools they will learn from Dian's training, experience and successes.
Each student will also receive a free private consultation with Dian (a $350 value) and will be considered her client as well as her student. A discount is offered to family members of students. The clients of students will also be offered discounted consults with Dian in order for the student to sit in and learn from such consultations.
Please let us know if you have any farther questions and if we can help in any way.
The course is very informative and a lot of fun and we hope you can join us.
Give us a call today at 973-267-4816. Hope to see you in class!
Each class will have a lecture by Dian
with a packet of handouts that will be
given to the students for use in their future practices.
Dian's lectures will cover the practical information one really needs to know to
practice holistic nutrition based on the years of trial and error and experiences
Dian has gained in her practice.
A CHHC (Certified Holistic Health Counselor) diploma will be awarded
to each student who completes the tests and the final exam at end of the course.
A HHC (Holistic Health Counselor) diploma will be awarded to students who wish to audit
the 12 classes of the program but do not wish to take the tests or final exam
The CHHC will specify that the graduate and has passed a final exam
and will continue in an intern program to qualify for advanced training.
The certificates will be awarded by Wellness Simplified, signed by Dian Freeman
and designated as recognized by the
Holistic Traditions Foundation of America, HTFA
Course lecture topics and CUE classes include:
Nutritional Overview - Blood Type Diet
Hormone Health- PMS, Menopause, Prostate
Fertility and pregnancy
Children's Health-Babies through teens
Brain Health- Dementia, ADD & ADHD, Cognitive Function
Blood Sugar and Inflammation
Diet and Diet Aids- High protein/Low carb
Burnout- Anxiety, Depression, Adrenal Fatigue
Digestion and Elimination
Cleanse and Detox
Allergies and Addictions
Chronic Conditions- Candida, Hypothyroidism, etc
Cardiac Health & The Dangers of Low Cholesterol
Keeping a Natural Medicine Chest
The ABCs of Health
Applied Kinesiology-Muscle Testing
Essential Oils- Aromatherapy
Traditional Chinese Medicine- Overview
Dental Health- Amalgams, fluoride, gum disease
Nutritional Politics- Vaccines, the UN Codex , DSHEA
pH Balancing- Acidosis and disease
Cancer, Alzheimer's and other Acute Diseases
An Advanced Holistic Health Counselor, AHHC courses will be offered
for graduates of Dian's CHHC course in order to gain
further in-depth and updated knowledge in the field of natural healing.
A certified teachers course is also being designed
Both will be under the auspices of the
Holistic Traditions Foundation of America, HTFA
Dian Teaching her Nutritional Course for the Holistic Health Certification
Winter 2016 at the Dolce Hotel and Resort, Basking Ridge NJ
Yipee !!! We graduated !!!
Winter 2015/2016 Class at Dolce Hotel and Resort, Basking Ridge
Spring 2016 with Kim, Franca and
Snacks are always available in class
Plenty of books and supplies available
Dian's desk with crystals and orbs are set up as students are arriving 2016
Before class..room is beginning to fill up
Dolce Resort and Hotel, in the Amphitheater, Basking Ridge, NJ
Graduating class Fall winter 2014/2015
Olde Mill Inn, Basking Ridge, NJ
A small but committed group
Congratulations Students of Thursday Class - Fall Winter 2013/2014
Thursday classes are always smaller than Sunday classes
Graduation Sunday class October 2014
Sunday Class October 2014 Brenda with her girls
Dian with Christine and Joshua, October 2014
Graduation Thursday Class October 2014
Dian & Johna October 2014 Dian & Ian October 2014
Thanks for my new crystal ball Johna, I love it !!!
Dian with Class Spring 2014
Having fun with Thursday Class Winter 2013
Fall Winter 2013/2014 Sunday Group Graduation
Graduation April 2013
Taking a break..time for snacks
Dian Teaching Sunday 2013/2014 Winter class
Dian Teaching Thursday 2012/2013 Winter class
Loading in class at Old Mill Inn - Winter classes 2013/2014
Winter classes 2013/2014
Spring Summer 2012
March 2013 Classes have been moved to the Old Mill Inn
Outgrew my offices
Graduates Winter 2011
Dian Teaching Spring 2011
Dian with Victoria and Joe
Snack time...taking a break
Anne working Brian resting
Spring 2012 Thursday Group
Winter 2011/2012 Sunday class
Bret, Natasha, Susan Sunday class 2011/2012 Maxine with the DRs Shulper
Spring 2010 Sunday Class
Winter 2011/2012 Thursday Class
Melissa and Christina 2011 Terri 2004
Dian Teaching 2008
Spring 2010 Thursday Group
Sunday Class winter 2010
Thursday Class 2010
Thursday Class Winter 2009
Sunday Class 2008
Sunday Class Fall Winter 2008-2009
Barbara at break - there's always food setting out !
Linda and Ginger-Class Cutups
Marcia and Dian Linda and Dian
Thursday Class Fall Winter 2008-2009
Thursday Class Fall Winter 2008-2009
Thursday Winter 2007/2008
2007 Class Sunday
Winter Sunday 2007-2008
Winter Sunday 2007-2008
Fall Winter Sunday 2007/2008
Fall Winter Sunday 2007/2008
Annette and Mel discussing class notes Beverly and Dian at Christmas
Fall/ Winter 2006/2007
Saturday Class Spring/Summer 2006
Thursday Class Spring/Summer 2006
Thursday Class Spring/Summer 2006
Sunday Class Spring/Summer 2006
The very first class that started it all
Thank you Jamie, Jen, Maria and Maria for talking me into teaching this course!
Join Us, this Course is lots of Fun!
Back to the Top
(sometime we manage to get documentation of graduation...sometimes technology fails us)
Fall winter 2013/2014
Some snapshots of Fall/Winter 2012/2013 Class (Ipad not always function well)
Any information from Dian's Wellness Simplified is not intended to replace
competent medical advice.
It is offered for educational purposes only.
All information is based solely on our research, opinion and/or experience
and is not meant to be prescriptive.